Routed - almost - by two guys - part II
G. S.  <>
initial posting 14 Sept 2010 - last update 15 Sept 2010


      This post continues the exchange of David Baillie, Gordon Arnaut and me. The part from 22 to 27 Aug 2010 is posted as “Routed - almost - by two guys: David Baillie & Gordon Arnaut ‘win’ ”[1]
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:40:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Kennewick Man
From: Gordon Arnaut <>

      Hi George, That Kennewick man is old news. I remember reading about that years ago. Even at that time some anthropologists were saying that caucasians were here eons ago and that some North American Indians tribes are descended from them, at least partly. That is why you will see Indians with distinct caucasoid features. But the caucasoids came across the land bridge from Siberia just like everyone else in prehistory. I know you know this but some people in this discussion apparently don’t know that caucasians originated in the caucasus region, which is on the border of Europe and Asia. It is just as likely that they headed east as west. That sailing thing is a bunch of crap. Typical “white” embellishment. Heyerdahl proved that polynesians, who are fine seafarers, could have sailed to America. It sounds to me like this Mr. Beam is making stuff up to suit a racialist agenda. Regards, --Gordon.

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 07:11:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Minor correction
From: David Baillie <>
To: George Salzman <>
CC: Louis Ray Beam Jr <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

      Happy “early” birthday then, George. I am a Virgo as well. Sept 15 I’ll be a mere 48 and feeling 480. :-) Have you read Israel Shamir’s book, The Masters of Discourse?
I heard about it yesterday in an article on the Occidental Observer I believe. I don’t know very much about Mr. Shamir except the few articles I’ve read and posted by him.

Sent: Aug 31, 2010, at 1:39 PM

      Hi Gordon and David, Thanks for writing right back. I don’t know what to make of Louis Ray Beam Jr.’s website yet, or even whether “he” is a real person. “He” says on the website, “I often receive letters from people of Jewish extract written in a friendly inquiring tone. I always take the time to answer them as I feel it important to engage in dialogue with those people seeking answers to questions or misconceptions created by the bought prostitutes of the newsmedia and the overpaid pimps in the federal government.”

      Of course, that assertion may be true or false. We’ll see whether I get any reply. I read some of the stuff on the site yesterday. It has statements that to me look like they were put together by a virulent Jew-hater, so I’m not ready to trust the decent ideas at face value. It may all be a come-on. It could also be the work of some virulent Zionists, constructed to display the supposed basic indecency of pro-Palestinian people. The internet, unfortunately, can no more be trusted than the corporate media.

      I appreciate your info Gordon about the Kennewick man. That immediately raises the question, Why did Beam (or someone else) bring this article to your attention, David, only a few days ago? As I recall, when I got it from you it was undated. Obviously, I’m very suspicious.

      David, I haven’t read Israel Shamir’s The Masters of Discourse, or any of his other books. I know him only via the internet, and a wonderfully warm telephone conversation (his Skype name is israelshamir) that ran almost an hour, if I remember correctly. He’s of Russian-Jewish background, from Vladivostok, has travelled and lived in various places, fought in the Israeli army in 1967 (and did his share of killing Egyptians then, I think). But basically he’s not a “hater”. He has been for me a truly liberating experience. Oddly enough, I first heard of him through Deborah (Debbie) Menon <> who seems to hang on his every word (like some people do Einstein). Debbie is an ardent Jew-hater from Chicago who lives her privileged life in air-conditioned Dubai. That’s the crazy thing about Israel. Because he is unflinchingly supportive of the Palestinians’ struggle for survival and has swapped being Jewish for a different kettle of religious nonsense he has attracted a fair number of virulent Jew-haters. He’s a very informed person deserving, I think, of much attention. He’s not perfect, of course, but he’s so refreshing intellectually, so uninhibited, that it’s a joy to see him in action.

      One of the people I really do hate is Abraham Foxman, head of the Jewish Defamation League (self-named Anti-Defamation League). If you haven’t seen Shamir on Foxman, check out Israel’s short collaborative piece,

These guys are always purple in the face because of
indignation — or is it constipation?

Foxman, or Constipation, By Israel Shamir and Paul Bennet Israel also has a cell phone 79030003285. His website is at

      There’s an Australian man, Peter Myers, who is also totally condemnatory of the Zionist destruction of Palestinian society who Israel is in touch with. Peter, like you, is convinced that 9/11 was an inside job, and is ready to condemn anyone who doesn’t subscribe to that position as a fence-sitter. Israel wrote him a note a day or so ago saying essentially, Hey, hold your horses. And pointing out that there are important issues in the world that shouldn’t be neglected by such wrangling over 9/11. I agree with Israel there. Best, --George

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 06:51:12 -0400
Subject: Re: The Kennewick Man, and other thoughts
From: David Baillie <>
To: George Salzman <>
CC: Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

      This may be of interest to you:

PS - Anyone that overlooks 9/11 being an “inside job” is worse than a fence sitter, he is a deceiver bent on diverting a major example of terrorism used by the power elite to exert its dominance of history in every sense of the word. If the general public were to learn and accept that this sort of thing is and has been done, it opens the door to every other fraud ever perpetrated in the name of building this evil, damned bloody Judeo-Anglo-American Empire.

Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:49:36 -0500
Subject: Re: The Kennewick Man, and other thoughts
From: George Salzman <>
To: David Baillie <>
CC: Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

Hi David,
      1. I glanced at the so-called democracy in action site (of the Jewish Voice for Peace). I am out of sympathy with people (including Jews) who want Palestinians to be treated humanely in the Jewish State of Israel. I do not want the State of Israel to exist. The people in Jewish Voice for Peace are Zionists who support the conquest of Palestine. I think they are deceiving themselves, probably because they are not cruel individuals and want to think well of themselves.
      2. As for your PS, it seems to me you are unreasonably dogmatic in your insistence: "Anyone that overlooks 9/11 being an "inside job" is worse than a fence sitter, he is a deceiver bent on diverting a major example of terrorism used by the power elite . . ." You really don't know Israel Shamir or Manuel Garcia enough to so readily put them in that box. When you say stuff like that it's on a par with a knee-jerk reaction. I am closer to your belief that 9/11 was an inside job, or at least benefitted from U.S. complicity, but I'm neither certain nor do I think such dogmatic certainty is necessary. Anyone with half a brain knows that the Zionist network is doing its damnest to control American behavior to make it back Israel to the hilt.
      3. I saw three items that I recommend as well worth reading:
    Immanuel Wallerstein's semi-monthly thoughts, Commentary No. 288, Sept. 1, 2010, Xenophobia All Over the Place?"
    William Blum's once-a-month so-called Anti-Empire Report of Sept 1, 2010.
    Alan Hart's latest posting on his website, which I'll attach below. These are three of the people that I read regularly. Sincerely, --George

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 18:55:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Thank you for your work
From: David Baillie <>
To: George Salzman <>
CC: William Blum <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Israel Shamir <>

      It’s always entertaining being the target of your propaganda, George. The only explicit guilt indicated by Duke, to my ears anyhow, is the hypocrisy of the Jewish community in constantly pushing the WHITE guilt message, when there were plenty of Jews who made slavery possible and participated in owning slaves. What I walk away with, not being a defensive Jew, is that the Jewish community should “fess up" that their own were involved and stop acting “holier than thou", as the Jewish community always does. Except very rare circumstances, one will NEVER hear anything from a Jew except that he is a victim and has always been a victim, which is simply ridiculous if one does some historical research.

      I came across some interesting history in a book about the Barbary pirates some time ago, Pirates of the Barbary Coast, which chronicles the origin of the US Marine Corps. The Libyan Muslims also had Jewish “treasurers" and participated in slave trading.

      The issue in question here is the apportionment of “guilt" regarding slavery. I have never enslaved anyone, in fact, in my veins flows the blood of several subjugated peoples, Scots, Czechs, American Indians. Hence I reject the notion that I “owe" anybody for their “victimhood". David Duke makes a very good point about the Jewish-run media playing up the White and Christian angle of slavery, obviously a notion you share. But it doesn’t stop there, here is a rap video I discovered done by a Jewish kid playing up the shared “victimology" of Jews and blacks, with no mention of Jewish involvement in slavery. One must wonder who funded this monstrosity. It is a quite amusing piece of agitprop, honestly, watch to the first chorus at the very least:
Article about “The King’s Torah”.

      I am a contractor here in Massachusetts, so I get around a fair amount and am not cooped up in an office. Halfway down in the article, the writer talks about Jews in political office. Right now, from Lowell to Revere, I see political placards for Jewish candidates in every town and city, almost exclusively Jewish, including some guy named Golnick who is running against the Democrat bozo, Niki Tsongas. How do you think it is possible that such a small minority of people can achieve so much political influence? Anybody? Where’s the money coming from?

      Back in 1967 my father worked part-time at a liquor store in Winthrop owned by a Jew. The day the 1967 War broke out a couple of Jews came into the store and told the store owner that they were going all over the Boston area collecting money to send to Israel and hit the owner up for $20,000. Apparently they funded his purchasing the store to begin with. I call that the Mafia, how about you?

      My mother was a bonded teller at the Federal Reserve Bank in Boston. When I was a baby we lived in Winthrop, next to a Jewish family that was big in the linen business. One day, the matron came over and asked my mother if she would be kind enough to hold on to her mink coat for a few days. My mother having escaped Communist Czechoslovakia was flabbergasted at the request to hold onto such an expensive coat, but accepted. A few days later the woman came back and collected her coat. My mother found out later that the Jewess had claimed her house was broken into, the coat stolen and ended up collecting approximately $40,000 in insurance. My mother was PETRIFIED that it would be found out that she was somehow involved in such a scheme, so petrified that she told me only last year, 45 years after the fact. This linen company is still one of the big names in Boston.

      I have more stories like this, but I think the point is clear, there is plenty of big time crime and deals going on in the Jewish community, just as there is in the Gentile communities, they just hide it better, and when caught, like Roman Polanski, Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, ad infinitum, the Jewish community rallies together crying and whining about being “victims”. THIS is what David Duke is rightfully pointing out. When Jews throw their criminals to the curb HAPPILY and WILLINGLY, then the rest of us will start thinking better of them.

      As you know, I am happy to call myself a National Socialist, and not just because of the Jewish question. I know many people that would NEVER identify themselves as such that positively DESPISE Jews for the very reasons I’ve cited above. My best friend’s wife just took a layoff at a Jew-run auto body shop on the Cambridge-Charlestown line, mainly because she wanted to spend more time with her little girls, but she was also sick and tired of having the 82 year old Jewish owner make constant vulgar sexual remarks to her. I suspect the son did as well. After she left they hired a Puerto Rican woman who was clueless, but dressed to display her “assets”. My mother’s first job in the US was at Schrafft’s in Charlestown. A Jew supervisor called her into his office and dropped his draws, apparently expecting this thankful refugee from Communism to get on her knees and suck his cock, shades of Leo Frank (the reason there is the ADL). A Jewish high school friend of mine had the same mentality. It seems par for the course among Jews. You can trace this all the way back to the writings of Tacitus. When I was young my grandmother told me that Jewish boys had to do Gentile girls in order to keep Jewish girls chaste until marriage. Today I can turn on a TV program about a Jewish matchmaker that refers to White women as SHIKSAS and no one raises an eyebrow. Is it any wonder a LOT of people despise Jews in private conversations? At least, I will tell you to your face why I don’t like or trust Jews and never will, AND I will even put up with your guff in reply, instead of telling you to fuck off. Go figure.

      Gentiles, is it time to look at Judaism? From NPN’s article “Homicidal Rabbi Finds Wide Support In Israel”. Early this month, intrepid reporter Jonathan Cook told of a powerful Israeli rabbi, Yitzhak Shapira, under investigation for allegedly inciting the slaughter of Gentile babies. He advocates doing whatever is necessary to drive out Palestinians. So far the policy has chiefly involved violent harassment of Palestinians, with settlers inflicting beatings, attacking homes, throwing stones, burning fields, killing livestock and poisoning wells. It is feared, however, that Shapira’s book The King’s Torah, published last year, is intended to offer ideological justifications for widening the scope of such attacks to include killing Palestinians, even children. Shapira was released a few hours after his questioning last Monday, dozens of rabbis, as well as several members of parliament, rallied to his side, condemning the arrest.

      ...what do the words of a bloodthirsty rabbi in Israel mean for suburban Americans settled comfortably far from Palestine’s dusty violence? It means plenty. Ha’aretz comments, “The book says that any Gentile who supports war against Israel can also be killed.” (Will this include Gentiles who support the Palestinian claim that they were robbed of their homeland and deserve a return?) A recent Israel-endorsed poll shows that following Israel’s terrorist attack on the “Free Gaza” flotilla, 49 percent of Americans disapprove of further support of Israel. (See, Support for Israel Sags in US) Yet many of these Americans may not suspect that the sacred rabbinic scriptures of modern Judaism, the Talmud and Zohar, undoubtedly motivated these expressions of brutality by IDF forces on the Mavi Marmara, shooting over 50 and killing nine.

      While Christianity and Islam are subject to severe and serious scrutiny, Judaism and its religious ambitions remain off limits. It is forbidden to speak of Judaism the way we now commonly speak of Christianity — or to consider that Israel’s slaughter of Gentiles aboard the Mavi Marmara and the threat in the rabbi’s words are undoubtedly related events.

      Consider the double standard of what it is acceptable to say about Christianity: In early, predominantly Calvinist America, Christians dominated the political arena, holding the vast majority of public offices and writing their Biblical morality into American laws. They founded our elite universities, including Harvard, Rutgers and Yale, as Puritan Bible schools. They criminalized premarital sex, profanity, public immodesty, homosexuality, and other “sin.” Their aim was to establish a nation of religious freedom yet always informed by worship of the Christian God. Until the 1960s, America was still largely ruled by the influence of its Puritan founders; concepts such as the gender binary, nuclear family, male-female marriage, objective morality and God’s existence were taken for granted by most Americans.

      The previous paragraph is not “anti-Christian.” It is not “anti-Aryan.” It is history. The competitive dominance of Jewish Americans has also profoundly shaped our nation, and is now — in the third century of American life — clearly outstripping the power of her Christian founders. Jewish Americans, 1.5% of the population, are now vastly overrepresented in seats of American power. They form an unstoppable, pro-Israel lobby in the halls of Washington and hold a large and ever increasing number of Congressional seats and positions as cabinet members and senior administration officials. They fill a third of the Supreme Court bench. American Jews also dominate culture formation in America by maintaining an impressive majority as owners, producers, and writers in all major American news and entertainment media. (See, Jews Confirm Big Media is Jewish) In these sites of mega-influence, liberal Jews have pushed to legalize, then normalize almost all the sins against which Christians once stood: “gay” rights, sexual amorality, gender deconstruction, abortion rights, and a host of theological concepts directly opposed to Christianity. There is only one religion against which it is now forbidden to speak, and that is Judaism; that fact alone shows its supremacy today.

      The previous paragraph is not “anti-Semitic.” It is history. Yet it is also incredibly inappropriate for me to write! This paragraph, if read in public, would make many people angry enough to hit me and far too angry to ask if any of it is true. And it is all true. The Jewish Talmud and Kabbalah, created by the same ancient sect of Pharisees who master-minded Christ’s crucifixion, have influenced modern Judaism as profoundly as the Bible influenced early American Christianity. It cannot be denied. In addition, the Jewish rejection of Christ — the Savior of the world and God incarnate — was a spiritual decision as powerful as the acceptance of Him that formed the Christian church. It can’t be honestly denied that modern Judaism was shaped by opposition to Christianity and its increasingly insular, hostile and aggressive approach to the “idolatrous” followers of the “false” Messiah from Nazareth. The bloodthirsty rabbi recommends action out of a lifetime immersion in the Talmud and Zohar. Throw me in jail; call me an anti-Semite a thousand times. The truth is still the truth.

      One of the greatest blessings America could receive today would be that her patriots looked below the surface of Israeli events and delved into what modern, Talmudic Judaism really teaches. They would quickly discover its power, ambitions and threat. Source article By Harmony Daws with Rev. Ted Pike is located here.

P.S. My fellow naive gentile Americans, I hope the demonizing Muslims game is becoming obvious to you. It’s time to look at the source of the demonizing. There you’ll find the real enemy of mankind.

Subject: A comment on your latest posting
From: George Salzman <>
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:43:49 -0500
To: Alan Hart <>
      Dear Alan, I just checked your site - your latest post (below) is excellent. I hope it gets very wide circulation. My views have become very harsh lately towards the very existence of the State of Israel. A statement of my thoughts on this is below your post.
What’s the difference between Pres. Ahmadinejad and Rabbi Yosef? . . .
Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:14:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Thank you for your work
From: George Salzman <>
To: William Blum <>
CC: David Baillie <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Israel Shamir <> wrote:----
George, Thanks for making this statement. It’s important. Bill
----In a message dated 9/1/2010 2:52:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, writes:----
      it seems to me you are unreasonably dogmatic in your insistence: “Anyone that overlooks 9/11 being an “inside job” is worse than a fence sitter, he is a deceiver bent on diverting a major example of terrorism used by the power elite . . .”
      It’s enormously frustrating trying to maintain my equilibrium in contact with David Baillie. But if Joe Bageant is correct in believing there are of the order of 40-50 million Americans as impoverished and “dumbed down” as David, it’s a severe threat to all Americans. David already wrote back (I’ll attach his reply below), sending me two David Duke U-Tube pieces. I watched the first one. Awful stuff, really despicable ammunition for stirring up Jew-hatred. The damn thing is that I believe much of the material is probably not devoid of reality. But it’s packaged as though all Jewish people are complicit, it’s slick and evil. David Duke is clearly trying to make capital on the basis of people’s suffering. I doubt that “my” David has even asked himself, or wondered, where the funding comes from to support the polished stuff that David Duke stars in. Take care, Bill. Best, --George

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 15:52:55 -0400
From: David Baillie <>
CC: Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

      Thanks for the reply George. Obviously, my statement about 9/11 Truth “deniers” is over the top. My father doesn’t “get it” regarding 9/11, and I can only accuse him of stupidity. I can’t even talk to him about it before he starts acting like a buffoon, then again, my father is a “Judeo-Christian” thanks to Billy Graham. I rest my case. Then there is my mother who I can talk to about the issue. She does have some grasp on it, then turns around and rejects it because she can’t “believe” that people in our own government would commit or help to commit such a crime (ha ha ha ha). She is a Czech émigré who escaped Communism to come to the wonderful United States. Anything I have ever said disparaging about the US has cast me as a “Communist” in her eyes, and though she must now admit that I have been correct about many things since 9/11, she continues to have a mental block. Human psychology (or psychopathy) for you.
      I meant my statement to be inflammatory none the less, as I believe it is time to take a baseball bat to those people that are still determined to be or play stupid. Here are a set of videos regarding the role of Jews in slavery by David Duke. Enjoy. Israel Shamir makes a cameo at the end of part 2. :-)

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 20:33:13 -0700
Subject: Re: The Kennewick Man, and other thoughts
From: Manuel Garcia Jr <>
To: George Salzman <>
CC: David Baillie <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

      As a confirmed “worse than fence sitter” “deceiver bent on diverting” the minds of the reality-immunized American public, I am unable to add anything or extract anything of value from participation in this e-mail mazola party. So, please, exclude me from further exchanges. My views on the narrow questions of the Jewish “state”, as well as on many broader issues are easily available on the internet. Whether “right” or “wrong”, they remain as I’ve stated them, and I have no reason to rehash them.

      In my view, if one has opinions one thinks worthy of wider dissemination, then one should make the effort to write a coherent essay (on one clearly defined idea, incident or thesis), and publish it in some moderated forum (i.e., a “magazine”). There are zillions on the web. Even so, this minimal refinement and filtering will ensure that something at least halfway worth reading is presented. From that, one can field (briefly) a few questions if mailed to the author by readers. But the inconclusive babble that swashes through these sorts of off-the-cuff exchanges do not seem -- to me -- to have any value beyond perhaps fulfilling some psychological need of those spilling with prolixity. These are parting words, if they have any value for you, fine, otherwise let them pass, I have no need to discuss this (i.e., I don’t plan to reply). I have other things to do. Here is a concrete example of what I’ve described, which you may (or may not) enjoy:
Adieu, --Manuel Garcia, Jr.

Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 02:24:15 -0500
Subject: Instead of trying to bullshit me, . . .
From: George Salzman <>
To: David Baillie <>
CC: William Blum <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Israel Shamir <>, Joe Bageant <>

      David, You’re avoiding the real issue, namely your persistent dedication to remaining ignorant. You know that neither of us is guilty of having killed anyone, and by now you should know that we are equally condemnatory of the Zionist Nazis backing the Israeli conquest. Neither one of us considers Israel a legitimate national state and we both want it dissolved. We both want the Jewish would-be conquerors to be forced to leave Palestine. We both condemn the use of money and power by wealthy Jews to manipulate the U.S. and world events. So why are you fucking around with me as though my so-called ethnic identity as a Jew makes me a suitable target for your stupidity? If you believe I’m any bit less of a human being than you, Mr. White Man, then you’re simply and plainly full of shit. I don’t want any more of your lengthy efforts to bullshit me. If you can’t answer a few simple questions then you’re a pathetic intellectual cripple:

      1. Have you read any of Joe Bageant’s essays? If so, name one that you read. What do you think of his ideas, this Big White American Man with whose “race” you supposedly identify?
      2. Have you read my essay that you posted, Changing History - 1 at ? What do you think of my argument that newborn infants come into this world without any precoded “racial” identity, specifically they are not born as “aryans” or “non-aryans”? I’m not interested in hearing your predictable criticism of what I wrote about Hitler at that time. As you know, I’ve learned a good deal since then from you and Gordon.
      3. Have you read any of the three items I told you about in my e-mail yesterday?, i.e.
   a. Immanuel Wallerstein’s semi-monthly thoughts, Commentary No. 288, Sept. 1, 2010, “Xenophobia All Over the Place?”
   b. William Blum’s once-a-month so-called Anti-Empire Report of Sept 1, 2010.
   c. Alan Hart’s latest posting on his website, which I attached in my e-mail.
As I commented, These are three of the people that I read regularly. If you have read any of them, what do you think of their ideas?
      4. Have you found out which organization(s) and/or individuals are funding David Duke’s productions? If not, is it because you are not interested? If you have obtained that information, what is your judgment of the funder(s)’ motivations?

      That’s it for the moment. Sincerely, --George

Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:05:46 -0500
Subject: Admiration, but spiced with a bit of criticism
To: Israel Shamir <>
CC: Frank Scott <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Ken Freeland <>, Ian Buckley (c/o Ken Freeland)" <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>

Oaxaca, Mexico, Thursday 2 September 2010
      Dear Israel, It’s half a year since the few sparks flew between you and another of my close friends, Gordon Arnaut over a stupid threatening e-mail to Gordon from one of the vulgar braggarts attracted to you, a certain Frank Scott. Gordon’s exaggerated sense of propriety (challenging an insulter to a refereed boxing match) got the sneering, threatening note from one of your hangers-on, namely:

Sent: Mon, March 1, 2010 2:33:36 AM
From: Frank Scott <>
To: Gordon Arnaut &60;>
Subject: shamir list
      > I would like an explanation as to what happened to my response to the ugly smear by the skinhead Frank Scott, in which he accused me -- and everyone else who lost family in Nazi concentration camps -- of making up or embellishing these stories.
      you did not deserve an explanation because of the egotistical and infantile nature of your response, but since you compound that felony with an even more egotistical and infantile response, you now get one. you need to be told that you are an idiot to make such charges with no evidence but voices you may hear in your head. nothing i said in my post had anything to do with you personally and i am certainly not a skinhead. at an earlier stage of my life when i was less mature and more inclined to utilize family and neighborhood contacts of a certain nature, i could have had you physically damaged, and seriously so, not in some stupid “boxing ring”, by simply making a phone call and identifying you as someone who made threats to me and/or my family. while the contacts remain i have long outgrown the lifestyle and morality that favored them. but you should learn to keep a civil tongue and refrain from projecting your personal problems into someone else’s social comments. i clearly stated that i meant no harm to the person who made the statement about lost relatives and only spoke of the fact that it is repeatedly made but only by one group of relatives or kin when so many more must have suffered as well. if you can’t understand that, tough shit.
   [the phrase ‘repeatedly made but only by one group of relatives or kin’ is Jew-haters’ code for ‘Jews’ - G.S.]
      i do not want to hear from you again, in any form, or i promise you no matter how far away you may be your stupid fucking threats will be dealt with --fs
      Israel, Whoever this Mr. Tough Guy is, I think it is indicative of the kind of vermin attracted to you by your public stance. If Frank Scott tried to flaunt his pseudo toughness here in Oaxaca he’d end up as a dumped corpse in a ditch or a field in the campo. The fact is that Gordon Arnaut is a very decent and honest person who deserves respect for his person. Like so many of my friends, including you, he has his peculiarities. So do I. As I think you know, another contact of mine, David Baillie, was also attracted to you, probably as a result of your work. David is basically a decent enough person, one of the 40-50 million impoverished white working-class Americans (according to Joe Bageant’s estimate) desperate to hold their disintegrating lives together, but dumbed down by their profound ignorance of the structures of power in the U.S. and the world. David knows a lot that is true — the destructive ideological dominance of hyper-wealthy Zionist-oriented groups and individuals in much of the “Western” English-speaking world and elsewhere — but he is also at the same time profoundly ignorant of the history of the U.S., which he views romantically and thinks is now corrupted, as is everything, by “The Jews”. He’s right in being contemptuous of what “The Jews” are trying to do, but wrong in seeing it as a problem that could be corrected if only all The Jews could be rounded up and shipped off to Birobidjan. He sees nothing wrong with capitalism, if only the Jews could be sequestered and prevented from lousing it up. I’ve made an excruciatingly prolonged effort to communicate with David, with very little success, and will probably abandon the attempt.
      Israel, I think you ought to disavow your use by David Duke in as public a manner as you can. You’re worldly wise enough, I’m sure, to know that he is not a pure innocent would-be savior of the White Race, as he slickly portrays himself, but a part of the well-funded effort to consolidate fascism in the U.S. The video that David Bailley told me about, at, ends with David Duke expressing his appreciation to you and Gilad Atzmon for what he sees as your good works.

      There’s a reason, Israel, why your work attracts lice, people like Mr. Tough Guy and Mr. Suave David Duke. Sincerely, —George

Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 21:17:44 +0200
Subject: Re: Admiration, but spiced with a bit of criticism
From: Israel Shamir <>
CC: Frank Scott <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Ken Freeland <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>

      Dear George, You are mistaken about my dear friend Frank Scott from North California - He is a great journalist and a wit. I never miss his articles in his SF paper. I have nothing to say about Mr Arnaut, nor do I wish to hear from him or about him, and the world is big enough for all of us without having to cross our ways. Mr Duke is a man with guts, as he proved standing up to Wolf Blitzer. He supported Iraq and Damascus in the wars. For me it is more important than his other ideas. Racism or whatever is a question of internal American policies, and I have no strong feelings about it. I dislike Sara Palin much more than I am likely to dislike a “racist” like Kevin McDonald. I do not share the White Race idea – it is usually upheld by lapsed Catholic Irish and Italians, who would not even qualify for the White Race in 1910, the day of Jack London. But my view is not very relevant because this idea is peculiar for the US, unknown in Europe, and I do not fully understand its nuances.

Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 05:06:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Far More Interesting Stuff...
From: Gordon Arnaut <>

      Hi George, This nonsense with David is a colossal waste of time and energy. However in checking out that Duke video, I came across something far more interesting, the large-scale coverup of the true race of the ancient Egyptians, who were indisputably negroid. I did not actually know this before. This coverup started in Napoleon’s time when French soldiers shot off the nose and lips of the Sphinx, which is pictured in the video, pre-vandalism and is undisputably negro. Here is the video, the first part of a 4-part series:

      I also found some writings by W.E. B DuBois on this. Very interesting and a very erudite man:
      Now that video series also goes on to postulate that Hebrews were black also, because Moses was mistaken for an Egyptian, so if he wasn’t black that could not be possible. Also the apostle Paul, whom the Romans took for an Egyptian. It goes on to talk about today’s Jews being Khazars, etc. and the negroes as the “Hebrews” that prophecies talk about being sent in ships to slavery. Now all of this other stuff, take it or leave it, is beside the point for me. For me the point is that White culture and history has tried to erase the truth that one of the great civilizations of human history was in fact black African. This is of huge importance in my view. Regards, —Gordon.

Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:55:15 -0400
Subject: Re: The Kennewick Man, and other thoughts
From: David Baillie <>
To: Manuel Garcia, Jr <>
CC: George Salzman <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

      Very nice, but awfully wordy. Do you actually believe the average American has the TIME, the PATIENCE and the INTELLECT to sit and read this if they were even interested in looking for it (which most aren’t)? I think not. No, let me change that. I KNOW they aren’t. I am sorry to say most Americans I know are cud-chewing cattle and have been told point blank that they DON’T WANT TO KNOW anything other than what is in front of them and of immediate concern to them. THAT is the sad fact of the matter.

      George, in your last email you once again gave me some guff about what is my response to this or that. You have never really answered any of my questions either, BUT let me state one thing here that I haven’t yet told you. I USED to be almost point for point in agreement with you. I was a John Lennon, Imagine, left of center, peacenik to be more specific. It occurred to me on 9/11 that the games being played at the top are now in acceleration and my own waffling and wide-eyed pacifism and that of others, was not going to fix anything. In fact, I figured out that I was being manipulated into accepting things that showed no signs of abating.

      The whole Palestine issue is a prime example of the circle jerk that has kept the Palestinians in bondage for DECADES, while sympathetic, but NICE, people (Gentiles) sat on their hands because their “nice” Jewish friends also “felt bad” about the situation while simultaneously being pro-Zionist. BULLSHIT. If you aren’t willing to go to the mat, who the hell needs you, you are part of the problem. That also applies to the invasion of illegal immigrants into an economy that cannot sustain its own population. IF the Mexicans and other south of the border-types want better economic conditions, let them topple their OWN system and make their own paradise. We Americans can take care of our own. In a previous post you said something about me not realizing that illegals are NOT my enemies. You are a fool. Because I am not financially secure because of illegal workers I have NO economic power, no political leverage. Yes, illegals ARE indeed part of MY (average US worker) problem, BECAUSE it keeps me from gaining enough capital to influence the election process PEACEFULLY. When I said I “know your type” I meant exactly what I said. YOU have no idea what it is to worry about where your work and money will be coming from as you drive by worksites populated by illegals. Illegals don’t CARE about this country, it is not their problem, they can leave anytime they wish. You live in Mexico, get your neighbors to rise up down there and let us Americans clean our own house.

Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:11:58 -0500
Subject: Israel Shamir und der Dreck attracted by his generally excellent work
To: Israel Shamir <>, Frank Scott <>, Gordon Arnaut <>
CC: David Baillie <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>

Oaxaca, Mexico, Thursday 2 September 2010
      I discovered Israel Shamir only late in life. Too bad I had so many deadly serious years before learning the joy of being unconstrained by sheer logic. The “trouble” with Shamir is that he is charming, and because of his compassion for the Palestinian people he has become somewhat of a magnet, not only for people like me who can’t stomach the slow, calculated genocide of the Palestinians by the Zionist establishment, but for a shitload of out-and-out bareknuckled Jew-haters.
      Someone who initially I mistakenly thought was in that camp has become my friend – David Baillie. David, like all of us, has his loves and hates. In fairness to him I should admit that what he hates, as I see it, is not Jews per se, i.e. Jews because we are Jews, but the widespread socially destructive behavior that he correctly sees as characteristic of dominant strands of the (English-speaking) Jewish population. This group of people, mainly in the United States, Canada, Great Britain, South Africa, Israel (of course), Australia and New Zealand, but also in Germany, France and Russia, has been very effectively propagandized by a Zionist global network that portrays Jews as the eternal victims of the Gentile world, through no fault of our own.
      The truth as I understand it is that seeing ourselves as the innocent eternal victims is both partly justified and partly unjustified. Specifically, Jewish-Gentile animosity has its roots in religious dogmas, i.e. it isn’t “our fault”. I think Raul Hilberg was correct in writing that anti-Jewish policy began in the fourth century during the reign of Constantine. With his conversion to Catholicism, Christianity became the official religion of the Empire. Beginning then, and “for the next twelve centuries, the Catholic Church prescribed the measures that were to be taken with respect to the Jews. Unlike the pre-Christian Romans, who claimed no monopoly on religion and faith, the Christian Church insisted on acceptance of Christian doctrine . . . The Jews could not accept Christianity . . . The Jews have only one God. This God is indivisible. He is a jealous God and admits of no other gods. He is not Christ, and Christ is not He. Christianity and Judaism have since been irreconcilable” (The Destruction of the European Jews, student edition, pp.5-6).
      Jews were forbidden from pursuing honest humble work, thus historically driven into money-changing, which Christians were supposedly not permitted to do for profit. Money manipulation thus became an important activity for a substantial minority of Jewish people. This development had nothing to do with genetics, any more than fine Swiss chocolates are attributable to “Swiss genes”. In that sense we are “innocent eternal victims”.
      However, that said, it is also true that everyone is an active participant in historical developments, even if that participation is largely by remaining “inactive”, i.e. outside the main currents of social movements. Jewish people, like all people, are by a huge majority interested mainly in living a satisfying life with our families and friends, not with trying to subdue other people and involving ourselves in robbery, murder, etc. We, like all people, share responsibility for shaping the kind of human society that prevails. We may not, as individuals, have much power, but we have the ability to act with our fellows in striving to make human society good for everyone. To the extent that Jewish people do not strive to know the truth about human suffering and to try to eliminate it, we are not innocent, but guilty. The fact, and I take it as indisputable, that the most influential part of the global Jewish population, specified three paragraphs above, at the end, is in a position to know the truth about the Zionist conquest of the Palestinians, and to act effectively to bring it to an end. That most of us do not behave morally but allow ourselves to be brainwashed by Zionist propaganda is in my view unforgivable. Palestinians are our fellow human beings, who need and deserve our love, respect and protection. Like all normal human beings, we know what is right. By choosing not to do what we know is right, we are indeed not innocent victims but guilty and deserving of the hatred that much of the world’s Gentile population is now expressing as the Israeli genocide of Palestinians continues.
      I again restate my view of the situation in the “Greater Middle East”, which includes far more than the so-called “Israel/Palestine conflict”, the hinge of the joint U.S.-Israeli colonial imperial campaign to eradicate Palestine.

      The entire project to take the land of Palestine for a Jewish state was illegitimate from the start. This project is at the core of Zionism. Being “nice” to the Palestinians, as I’m certain many good and decent (but misguided) Jewish people favor, simply is not a cure for the cancer of conquest. The same for all conquests — of the Americas by Europeans and so on. The northern European/American project to retake the Ottoman Empire needs to be scrapped, completely given up. Jewish would-be conquerors of Palestine should be forced to leave and live elsewhere. Conquest is ALWAYS wrong, immoral, unethical and must be rejected. Great Britain was, throughout its imperial dominance, a leading curse of humanity, whose criminal history leaves a terrible legacy. Our task ought to be to clean it up as soon as possible. And of course the other European powers should leave Africa, probably the most despoiled population group in the world. What world-class monsters we so-called Whites have been, imposing “our” anti-civilization on the world.

Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 09:44:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Israel Shamir und der Dreck attracted by his generally excellent work
To: Gordon Arnaut <>
CC: David Baillie <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>
                  ----Gordon Arnaut wrote:----
      Dear George, I hate to see you going off in this direction, no doubt influenced by Shamir who is not half the man you are. Here is my objection to what you have written. There is no historical balance. Jews have been victims for at least a thousand years if not more. Their recent misdeeds only mitigate that accumulated weight of history by a relatively small amount. You are a man of science, I appeal to your logic. Look at the long view. As far as David is concerned, he is a Jew hater, there can be no doubt about that. He only says he hates their deeds, but that is what they all say. Racism is a terrible sickness. Look at that David Duke. Do you think he is well? I do agree wholeheartedly with your thoughts about the British Empire. That evil empire continues to this day, coopted of course by the USA since at least the postwar period.
      You are on the right track when you talk about the Anglosphere, this is the real problem, not Jews. I know you reject your Jewish roots. Some would call that a self-hating Jew. It is not my place to presume to lecture you, but Jews are good people. I cannot say the same about WASPs. Therein is the whole story. Best, --Gordon.
      Hi Gordon, Of course you are correct in seeing me influenced by Shamir, as I am by each of the people with whom I’ve come into close contact. But fear not! I’m not taken in by Israel, that is, I see him, I think, for what he is — somewhat of an intellectual shyster who jumps wherever he wishes. He’s impossible to pin down with logical discourse, which he flouts, I’m fairly certain because he knows that would be a losing battle for him. But to me it doesn’t matter that much. I’m not focussed on changing Shamir — it’s the world I’m aiming at. And since he’s so cock-sure of his skill as a polemicist, and therefore quite public, it’s great to have him as a “jousting partner”. Imagine him writing that bullshit about racism being unfamiliar to him, and claiming it’s an American phenomenon, as though he never heard of Great Britain with its racist culture par excellence. I’m going to continue in the hope of changing other peoples’ perceptions, using my exchanges with Israel as much as seems worthwhile.
      The U-tubes you told me about yesterday are grist for the mill. I watched the first few. I would want to contact some of the people who are allegedly involved, like the archeologist at the Brooklyn Museum, to be sure his participation was real. You know I’m sure that in the effort to discredit Julian Assange, completely false “documents” were constructed and widely publicized. The “trouble” with you, in my view, is that you are too trusting. But what wonderful curiosity you have! Best, sincerely, --George
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 07:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A Little More
From: Gordon Arnaut <>
To: George Salzman <>

      And just to round out my thoughts a little more, George. You say that Jews are the problem because they are in a position to know the truth about Zionism and could reject it, but don’t. Again I appeal to your logic. That is akin to buying into the tail wagging the dog theory. The Jews are swimming in a prevailing current. They are not the ones making the current. Let me give an example from the physical sciences. If you are sitting on an airplane and you want to change its course, will your running backward change the course of the airplane? Of course not. Your small mass is already in motion with the direction and velocity of the airplane so your movement is completely RELATIVE to the much larger momentum of which you are just a small part. You can do nothing to change the vector of the airplane.

      Jews are passengers on the airplane of the Anglo Empire, there is no question about that. Some may even be part of the flight crew. That is because Jews are able and ambitious people. But they cannot change the course of this empire. They know this and they fit in. Now look at what a positive role Jews played in socialism. Here again they were riding on the airplane and part of the flight crew, but they all were going in a positive direction. So the fact that Jews are, for the first time in history, playing the role of colonizer, is because they are going with the flow. Yes they are doing evil, but they are influenced heavily to do this because they are just a small mass in the overall empire, which has its own evil direction and huge momentum. You know this is true, you have said it yourself. Jews are not more than 10 percent of the wealth and power of the elite, although this figure is far bigger than their representative population. Anyone who says it is more than that is simply stupid. Best, --Gordon.

Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 11:10:42 -0500
Subject: Your additional thoughts
CC: David Baillie <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

      Hi Gordon, We disagree. I do not think “Jews are the problem”. The problem is the dominant system of values that controls the thinking of most of the literate part of the world’s population. I don’t accept the idea that we are as impotent as you seem to believe. Convincing us that we are impotent is part of the mechanism the ruling class uses to oppress us. Be a mensch, be a maverick, stand up for what’s right, not for what seems easier. My opinion for whatever it may be worth, is that the American Jewish population is being stupid in its behavior, setting itself up for a holocaust by the enraged non-Jewish Americans when they come to realize how they, as American citizens, are being used to support the Israeli Nazi government, largely through the manipulation of American Jews. Your sympathies are misplaced, unsurprisingly because you are immersed in Canadian Zionist propaganda, which is even worse than American Zionist propaganda. Sincerely, --George

Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 17:15:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Something I’d like you to listen to
To: David Baillie <>
CC: Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Frank Scott <>

                  ----David Baillie wrote:----
      George, et al, I’d like you to listen to these clips from the Rick Adams show on RBN. He occasionally has a man in Philadelphia named Art call in who spends his free time tracking down organized crime and its ties to AIPAC, the ADL and Israel, primarily the Likud Party. Tell me what you think after giving them a listen. I suspect you will find it very enlightening. I’ve also attached a Wikipedia page about Sheldon Adelson, who is the subject of last night’s show.

      Hi David, I just don’t have time to pursue all the stuff you send links for. I know there are all these hyper rich corrupt Jewish Americans without you continually pushing more evidence. In fact, I did skim the Wikipedia item, and Googled, and I see that the New Yorker has an expose of Sheldon Adelson that was attacked by other hyper-rich interests. It’s interesting that the New Yorker is doing stuff like that. I believe it’s an effort to maintain their “credibility”, like the New York Times does, but also because it’s real juicy gossip. So I ought to be keeping an eye on the New Yorker too. But I’m going to have to put you and Gordon on hold a bit because I want to finish my comments about Israel Shamir. By the way, yesterday Gordon picked up some very interesting items about Africans of antiquity. It’s too bad that you and he set each other off. I think you both ought to be a little more forgiving. Best, --George

Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:22:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Israel Shamir und der Dreck attracted by his generally excellent work
From: David Baillie <>
To: George Salzman <>
CC: Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

      How ridiculous!!! To ascribe OPINIONS and the way people think to a physical equation. That is absurd. Morality is morality and George stated his case quite eloquently, while you Gordon are out to lunch. If Jews are in general such moral and righteous people it is quite a schism for them to overlook what their coreligionists are doing in Palestine. There is no cognitive dissonance that rings like fire alarms in the minds of all “good Jews” when they read about the IDF targeting school children? Forcing families to leave killed children in the streets so dogs can eat the remains? This is somehow justifiable because Jews have been kicked out of Gentile lands in the past (must have been some reason for it if they were welcomed to begin with). I am supposed to believe that it is YOU who are normal Gordon, after this over the top RACIST prattle about WASPs and fawning, bootlicking worship you lavish upon All Jewry? I think you are the worst of all kinds of Zionist Christians, even though you claim to be separated from them. I think they ostracized YOU because you are even loonier than them. Moreover, I think you are not just unhinged, I think you are DANGEROUSLY unhinged. Anyone that calls that evil, mass-murdering, train-robbing, son of a bitch butcher, Stalin, Uncle Joe, deserves to be locked up in a padded room.

Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:00:14 -0500
Subject: Admiration, but spiced with a bit of criticism - II
CC: Frank Scott <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Ken Freeland <>, Ian Buckley (c/o Ken Freeland) <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>

      Hi Israel, This follows my letter of 2 Sept 2010 and your brief reply, also of 2 Sept, both of them attached at the end. Now, jumping right into your letter: Your “dear friend Frank Scott . . . a great journalist and a wit” sent a despicable note to Gordon Arnaut (Scott’s note is in the attachment). The fact that you wash your hands of that piece of shit that Frank Scott excreted, and add for good measure, “I have nothing to say about Mr Arnaut, nor do I wish to hear from him or about him”, shows either your own pathetic lack of curiosity, or deliberate avoidance. You add, as if to justify your disinterest in Gordon Arnaut, “the world is big enough for all of us without having to cross our ways”.

      If you really believed that you would not be a Zionist. You would say there was no need for Jews to have colonized Palestine, and all the would-be colonizers should leave and Palestine should be returned to its indigenous people. You would agree with David Baillie and me that most of the Jews should get the fuck out. But I haven’t even seen you critical of your own participation in the 1967 Israeli assault. Instead of self assessment you are enjoying your privileged status, flying off to various parts of the world (hugging Cynthia McKinney — Oh! Am I envious!), using your control of “your” shekels to make your own private life more fun. I admit, and appreciate your liberating influence on me, but in the last analysis we ought to face the reality that Jews are conquering Palestinians and we ought to oppose that with all our strength. Your stance, as I see it, is to put forward a back-up Zionist position. You want to be “nice” to the Palestinians, without demanding that the conquerors get out. Would the Israeli Nazis tolerate you if you actively took a hard position, or even a firm position like the Jewish protestors who get beaten, injured, arrested and fined? I doubt it. Like with everything else, those bastards are surely calculating the extent to which your activities are an asset or a liability to their goals. In their calculus, I’m fairly sure, your behavior benefits them. I’m guessing that you limit yourself to remain within their camp, though ostensibly in opposition. A smart guy.

      You write about David Duke, “[He] is a man with guts, as he proved standing up to Wolf Blitzer. He supported Iraq and Damascus in the wars. For me it is more important than his other ideas.” That’s out and out bullshit. What “guts” did it take to “stand up to” Wolf Blitzer”? Blitzer, a Zionist journalist who “made it big” in mainstream propaganda production, someone who knows well what ass to kiss. David Duke “stood up” not because he wants to uphold truth but because attacking Obama’s increasingly unpopular military attacks on “Israel’s enemies” is his ploy to woo American Nazis. You must know this because you’re no dummie, but it’s momentarily convenient for you to ignore Duke’s real motive. And you add, as a throw-away line, that Duke’s “support for Iraq and Damascus” is for you “more important than his other ideas”. What other ideas? You leave it, like a kid’s balloon, just full of air.

      You continue, “Racism or whatever is a question of internal American policies, and I have no strong feelings about it.” Then some mumble-jumble about Sara Palin, Kevin McDonald, the White Race idea, lapsed Catholic Irish and Italians, whatever “lapsed” signifies. And you conclude with, “But my view is not very relevant because this idea is peculiar for the US, unknown in Europe, and I do not fully understand its nuances.” So, the idea of racism is “unknown in Europe”. Its nuances are too complicated for you. There is probably no other nation in the world which practiced, propagated, and enforced racist behavior more effectively than Great Britain throughout the dominance of its global empire.

      Well Israel, here you’ve done it to me again. I’ve fallen into the trap of taking you seriously, as though this wasn’t all just for fun. But really, of course, I’m not writing this with any thought of changing you, because I like you just the way you are, but for the other (more serious) people who I hope will read it. You’re a great jousting partner. Saludos amigo, para todos hacia la liberacion de la gente, --George

P.S. My Spanish ain’t too good. What I tried to say was, Greetings friend, for everything towards the liberation of the people.

Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 17:56:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Admiration, but spiced with a bit of criticism - II
From: Gordon Arnaut <>

      Hi George, Are you aware of the Orthodox Jews against Zionism movement?

      It’s pretty amazing. Like yourself, they advocate dismantling the Israeli state — without fear that their position plays right into the hands of antisemites like Duke (and his sycophant Baillie). That is why I say Jews are bighearted people. How many Americans do you hear saying that they should go back to Europe and leave this land to the Indians? Exactly Zero, that’s how many. Anyway, I think Jews have more claim to at least a part of Palestine than Americans do to America. Don’t forget the original UN plan that was voted on by the General Assembly and approved was for the Jews to get 55 percent and the Arabs 45 percent of Palestine. This is what would have happened if it was not for the bloody British who whipped up the Arabs into fighting against this partition (under British officers who led the way). Sure the Arabs weren’t happy about the split, and it probably should have been 50-50, but how many Palestinians today do you think would accept 45 percent of Palestine now? Ask your friend Mazin. I think each and every Palestinian would jump for joy at such a peace deal. But that is long gone. More and more Palestinians are even ready to accept the settlers as a permanent fixture. And as for dismantling Israel, well even if all Jews wanted that the American empire would not allow it. Overall I think it is better to be pragmatic. Israel is a state, and a very powerful one, with huge influence at the top of the US power structure, and huge political base in the form of Christian Zionists. They have all the strength right now and the Palestinians have none. But what will happen if and when this US empire collapses, as it surely will? That is the real question. Only time will tell. Best, --Gordon.

Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 14:27:17 +0300
Subject: Re: Hi Israel
From: Israel Shamir <>
To: George Salzman <>

      How sweet! And who made the brilliant Russian translation? It is not machine!

                        ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 21:27
Subject: Hi Israel
To: Israel Shamir <>
Cc: Frank Scott <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Ken Freeland <>, Ian Buckley (c/o Ken Freeland) <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Daniel Joseph Parker <>

      Saludos amigo. --George

      Исраэль Шамир ещё более сумасшедший чем я. Он вобще забывает о логике, о которой я всё же вспоминаю, когда не хочу быть “побиваем камнями” (это у меня внедрённое университетом педантство). Всего пару дней наэад я написал ему и другим письмо которое начииадось так: “Я открьл для себя Исраэля Шамира уже на исходе дней. Оченъ жаль, что столько смертельно скучных лет я провёл не зная такой радостной свободы от чистой логики. “Проблема” с Шамиром в том, что он очарователен и его сочувствие палестинм привлекает к нему как к магниту не только таких как я, не переваривающих медленного расчётливого геноцида палестинцев сионистским истэблишментом, но и жидоненавистников”. Частью очарования Шамира для меня является его раскованная надёжная вульгарность, которую он одевает в юмористические одеяния. Вот например его смешной этюд о главе Еврейской диффамационной лиги Абрахаме Фоксмане.

      Israel Shamir is even crazier than me. He is absoutely oblivious to logic, which, even when I try not to be so “boxed in” I keep slipping back into. It’s my ingrained academic pedantry. Just a couple of days ago, I wrote a letter to him (and others) that began “I discovered Israel Shamir only late in life. Too bad I had so many deadly serious years before learning the joy of being unconstrained by sheer logic. The “trouble” with Shamir is that he is charming, and because of his compassion for the Palestinian people he has become somewhat of a magnet, not only for people like me who can’t stomach the slow, calculated genocide of the Palestinians by the Zionist establishment, but for a shitload of out-and-out bareknuckled Jew-haters.” Part of Shamir’s charm for me is his robust, uninhibited vulgarity, which he always casts in humorous garb. See for example his joint piece on Abraham Foxman, head of the Jewish Defamation League, at

Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:11:24 -0500
Subject: Russians for human rights
To: Israel Shamir <>
CC: Frank Scott <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, Ken Freeland <>, Ian Buckley (c/o Ken Freeland) <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Joe Bageant <>, Daniel Joseph Parker <>

      Dear Israel, Thanks for writing. I sent a message to the translator asking for permission to give you the contact information so that you could write directly, but the translator has not sent an OK. It may be that there is a little difficulty understanding each other. I did give the translator your e-mail address so that possibly you will get a message directly. All best wishes, --George

[1] Routed - almost - by two guys: David Baillie & Gordon Arnaut ‘win’. Posted at The e-mails in that post are:
--Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 10:40:30 -0400
CC: Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>
--Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 21:40:51 -0500
To: Notes of an Anarchist Physicist <>, Gordon Arnaut <>, David Baillie <>
--Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 11:17:07 pm
Cc: Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>
--Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 8:07:02 am
From: Gordon Arnaut <>
Cc: Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>
--Sent: Mon, August 23, 2010 7:11:03 PM
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--Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 11:35:14 -0500
Subject: Trying to cool it
CC: Israel Shamir <>, Ken Freeland <>
--The above e-mail followed a brief exchange David and I had had about midnight, namely
--Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 22:13:49 -0500
To: David Baillie <>
--Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 12:11:52 am
From: David Baillie <>
To: Gordon Arnaut <>
--Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 8:40:57 am
From: David Baillie <>
To: gordon arnaut <>
Cc: George Salzman <>
--Date: Aug 24, 2010, at 9:46 am
From: Gordon Arnaut <>
To: David Baillie <>
--Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:06:43 -0400
From: David Baillie <>
To: Gordon Arnaut <>
--Sent: Fri, August 27, 2010 5:07:27 am
Cc: Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>
--Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 04:50:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gordon Arnaut <>
--Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 12:14:31 -0400
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CC: Gordon Arnaut <>, Ramor Ryan <>, Manuel Garcia <>, Joe Bageant <>, Ken Freeland <>, Israel Shamir <>

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Initial posting of this page: 14 September 2010.
Last update: 25 January 2011